Mages are not Overpowered

Mages, since the first expansion was released, have had our damage output in PvP crippled due to resilience effecting our crit damage and crit chance. This innately affected mage PvP due to our class being based around crit mechanics in all 3 of our talent trees (being a pure dps class and all).

Now that resilience has been put in its place and it isn't throwing off game balance against crit based classes like it was, a lot of classes, and not just mages, are hitting harder.

Also keep in mind, health pools are going to be ridiculously huge at 85 and that's going to prevent people from being able to complain about getting killed before they have a chance to do anything. Saying that will just constitute badness on the victim's part.

I see a lot of mages saying how overpowered they are, but to be honest a lot of that is ego and also them feeling inflated after having been on the back burner for so long. I actually think mages are in a very balanced state in the game alongside any other DPS class and I'm noticing that right now in PvP every class seems to have a solid chance against any other class.


Please stop making "Mages are so friggin' OP" and the obvious counter "Mages are NOT OP" threads. They just sapawn more of each other. Frankly it's getting boring trolling these. My heart just isn't in it anymore. :-(

Mages where fine in damage in BC .

Not from what I remember. Sure were plenty of mages being shelved for walrocks during those times.
vanilla mages didnt have ice lance...or even cone of cold. ahhh the good ol' days.

Mages where fine in damage in BC and WotLK. The reasons we did so little damage is because we had survivability and control rivaled by none.

That is not true. In BC and in WoTLK we had unfair 10% damage coefficient nerfs to our main nukes. It disadvantaged us in PVE and PVP.

And it is a LIE that our control is rivaled by none. A warlock can fear you and DPS you at the same time without the CC breaking, and also interrupt you with a succy at the same time, not to mention deathcoil.

In fact every class has CC these days, it's a totally different game now and Mages should no longer act like CC kings, ours is good but it IS rivaled by many.

Mages where fine in damage in BC .

Not from what I remember. Sure were plenty of mages being shelved for walrocks during those times.

That was because warlocks were stupidly overpowered, not because mages were bad.
I'm just gonna throw this out here:

Hi, my name's Aedistan, and I got crit by an AB for 15k through 50% resilience.



OP? Maybe. Right now, 80's twinked out in pvp gear or raid gear are imbalanced as always in lower tiers, but if this bracket is a precursor to what Cata scaling will be like, if all it takes is an Arcane Blast to hit me for 40% of my health (even as a crit, this is ridiculous), rbg's will probably be maybe 2 or 3 Arcane mages with the heals and juggernauts peeling off melee and ranged from the arcane. This is especially problematic when there's enough chaos to mask an AB or two before it's too late. Even if the person had full raid gear on, if they're in the midst of chaos and aren't noticed, they might as well have 100% resilience.

I'm not saying Mages in particular are OP; there's a few classes out there that can crit massively. I'm just pointing out a particularly massive crit which happened to come from a mage.

i dunno about higher geared mages like arcane in heroic BiS gear but i hit for 54k in the razorscale fight in Uld 10 with Deep Freeze. I dunno where to compare damage logs and such, help would be appreciated.
People complaining about arc mages in pvp is starting to bug me.
If you let a mage get 4 stacks of AB, you deserve to be torn apart.
Arcane is fine. l2spell reflect. I respect any fire mage / arcane mage that can beat me. Im glad to see some mages play a higher skill cap spec then flavor of the month (FOTM) frost.

Ice lance / cone of cold 100% nova Are not fine.

I can perfectly execute a silence + focus fear / pummels on pet / spell reflects on deep freeze

And still lose because somewhere down the road they'll finally get me stuck in a GCD and pop 3 8k ice lances.

Wrathful warriors should not have to pop every single cooldown and still have 0% error output

Just to win againest a frost mage who got all their wrathful from honor points and don't even have shoulders.

Enjoy the nerf, It will come. Feel free to comment.